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    The translation of "The Translation" is "The Rapture!"
    January 5, 2013
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      You know  yourself well enough…to understand that You will not be one of the few 144,000 Elect from the New Testament's book The Apocalypse Of Saint John  ( a.k.a. the KJV the book of The Revelation ) that some Fun-duh-mental-ists  think will be the chosen  that join the Jesus the Christ up in the sky (in the Greek idiom, the heavens–little "h") in an event "They" refer to as "THE RAPTURE."   And if You can't seem to find enough details about this Rapture (a.k.a. "The Translation"  in some versions of the New Testament) event  in the Bible that is because, just like the story  of Satan and his fallen angels…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....llen_angel ,
    …that is because You have to go looking for it in the non-Biblical  Book Of Enoch
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....k_of_Enoch .
      But did you even imagine that A & A Assurance Associates, LLC can offer you RAPTURE INSURANCE to help cover your expenses during the Tribulation(s) of a post-Rapture world?
      And here is a link  where "You" can find where The Company:  with annunciations & declarations promulgates notarized & certified dispensational, pre-tribulation & eschatological RAPTURE INSURANCE:
      And then here  is where you may find a "Rap" by a Future post-Rapture "Pope" to help guide those not-so-elect-but-still-hypocritically-good-Christians through the Tribulations "After The Holy-Co$t"  with his  Neopseudo Edict of Chateaubriand!
      Remember,  good-Christians are not perfect,  "They" are just "Forgiven."
      So it's not too Late to make pre-Rapture Plans, and go hunting for that Forgiveness, because…
    …"Nothing is Certain,  not even That!"

    January 5, 2013
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      Let me give a "little history" about how the mid-18th Century  idea of "The Rapture"  came into vogue.

      The idea of the "Rapture" was set forth by Philip Doddridge in his 1738 Practical Reflections on the Character and Translations of Enoch,  and by John Gill in his 1748 An Exposition of the Revelation of St. John the Divine  and articulated in an essay published in Philadelphia in 1788 by Baptist preacher Morgan Edwards, an original Fellow for the chartering of the College in the English Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (today's Brown University  in the Ivy League), about the pre-Tribulation Rapture,  the view that Christian believers will be Translated  to Heaven with "Christ" before  the events of the Tribulation,  based on his  interpretation of the New Testament's book of First Epistle to the Thessalonians  (i.e. 1 Thess 4:17) and popularized in 1827 by the Anglo-Irish evangelist and Father of modern Dispensationalism  John Nelson Darby and still being propagated today at Bob Jones University and the Dallas Theological Seminary and by preachers and authors such as Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.

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    The "missing link" above for RAPTURE INSURANCE:


    Apo-logies! WordPress gave us a software "update" that actually seemed to be a "downdate" and made some our links simply disappear.

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    After years of nobody wanting to tackle this conundrum, and before he has to go into the VA Hospital for some major surgery Dawson wanted to add this addendum explaining the differences between the religious terms Apocalypse, Armageddon and The Rapture but couldn't get his links to post (you can always copy and paste the links to your address bar). So I'm posting it here for Dawson.--Apoadmin

    Just in case You find yourself "Left Behind" with the fallen angels searching The Book Of Enoch ​ ​for Eschatological Answers.

    Remember, nobody knows the Date-to-be-determined for THE RAPTURE so that God could Test even the very Elect, if he so chose to, if He just felt like it, you know, that They are always on Their toes and Their Best Behavior and ready willing and able to want to Kiss ​God's​ Ass 24/7 for the rest of all Eternity (as described in the book of Revelation), should He come like a Thief In The Night, you know, if the mood struck him like​ a bolt of​ lightning​ out of the Blue​ or like the Wrath of a petulant Old Testament Godly Hangover​ after a night of boozing it up and making bar bets with His "devil's advocate" good ol' drinking buddy, Satan, like They do together in the book of Job, to Job.

    The translation of "The Translation" is "The Rapture!"

    Let me give a "little history" about how this fairly modern mid-18th Century idea of "The Rapture" came into vogue.

    The idea of the "Rapture" was set forth by Philip Doddridge in his 1738 Practical Reflections on the Character and Translations of Enoch, and by John Gill in his 1748 An Exposition of the Revelation of St. John the Divine and articulated in an essay published in Philadelphia in 1788 by Baptist preacher Morgan Edwards, an original Fellow for the chartering of the College in the English Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (today's Brown University in the Ivy League), about the pre-Tribulation Rapture, the view that Christian believers will be Translated to Heaven with "Christ" before the events of the Tribulation, based on his interpretation of the New Testament's book of First Epistle to the Thessalonians (i.e. 1 Thess 4:17) and popularized in 1827 by the Anglo-Irish evangelist and Father of modern Dispensationalism John Nelson Darby and still being propagated today at Bob Jones University and the Dallas Theological Seminary and by preachers and authors such as Hal--The Late Great Planet Earth--Lindsey and Tim--Left Behind--LaHaye.​

    Keep in mind the Rapture referenced non-Biblical Book(s) of Enoch (3 combined books by different authors) have the fictional character Enoch as describing looking upon the Face of God, "...like Iron glowing in the fire, emitting sparks, and burning. Thus I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvelous, awful, and very, very terrible. And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, of his wondrous face?" Who indeed is this fictional hoax author of Enoch, whose Anachronism problem here is that the Old Testament Biblical Enoch from Genesis lived many generations before Noah's Flood wiped out all the rest of mankind and before The Iron Age. ​ There is no Mark of Cain carried round anymore either as all Cain's relatives from the city of Enoch got drowned in The Flood too.​

    The Book(s) of Enoch are a hoax not only written after the beginning of The Iron Age, as glowingly described by the author, but in that Inter-testament period centuries between the completion of The Old Testament writings and the writing of the New Testament books, a time period in which the characters of Archangels were also invented in fictional accounts of 7 (or even 10) Crystal Heavens where the Sun, Moon and Stars are mounted to orbit the Earth. The Book of Daniel is the only canonized book in the Old Testament that has "Archangels" in it, and Daniel is a known late-dated hoax apocalypse--of at least 2 combined authors (telling the same story from different writing styles with their own anachronism problems)--which should have been put in the section that some versions of the Bible call the Apocrypha where the 13th chapter of Daniel and Susanna, and the 14th chapter of Daniel, Bel and the Snake are traditionally placed except mainly in Catholic versions of the Bible. And, btw, that infallible Word of God King James Version originally had the Apocrypha books included too. I always thought God liked to translate Himself in King's English so He could sound just like Shakespeare.

    ​ Any book that mentions Gabriel or any other of the Archangels is an anachronism scriptural hoax or an allegory.​

    It is also from the Book(s) of Enoch where you get the story of Satan and the "fallen angels." There is no story of "Lucifer" and his fallen angels in the Bible itself. ​Lucifer--who was just a man and a Babylonian king--was killed in 538 BCE. ​The Book(s) of Enoch are fanciful hoaxes written between the Biblical Old & New Testament writings, no different in their own time and day than today's fictional LEFT BEHIND series of books and movies. A thousand years from now fanatical Christians will probably think the Rapture actually happened during Y2K in 2000 AD and that the whole Left Behind series of books are the "infallible word of God" included in their New Improved Testament.

    ​​​You should always increase your "Rapture Insurance" ​​http://www.apocalypseandarmageddon.org/insurance/

    For a​nother​ read with an apocalypse style (towards ​its​ visionary end):​​​​
    The Apocryphon (The Book of the Secret of Ormuzed of Ultron); Nostradamus' & Ezra's Biblical Soma visions: http://tinyurl.com/p4v3rb4

    ...and a couple of UNVEILING-REVELATIONS:

    Was the Old Testament "God" just an allegory for a Volcano? http://tinyurl.com/pwz7g52

    (on the other hand) The 19th Song; A song of pantheism: http://tinyurl.com/pym6l9l


    Since there ain't know devil with a Capital "D" the whole 4 times it appears in the Old Testament, ​and "Lucifer" was killed in 538 BCE by the Persian Messiah Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1), ​What's up with this New Testament Obsession​ with Satan​?
    ​Why are Archangel Satan and God good ol' bar betting drinking buddies in the Book of Job?

    Just whom is this "Satan (the 'Adversary')" http://tinyurl.com/j63z3rp​

    Any Old Testament book's author which describes "God" as if He is in Man's image or as if "God" has human attributes is as guilty of literary idolatry and Jewish Blasphemy as would be anyone who carves or draws a graven image attributed of "God." Almost the entire New Testament would be Jewish Blasphemy. Strange then that most of the original "Christian" characters allege themselves to be Jews and you'd think they'd know that. Ponder all that for a while.

    The book of Revelation is one of several apo-calypses in the Bible

    Okay, the Greek (not Hebrew) term Apocalypse doesn't necessarily mean "prophecy" so much as it means an allegorical "unveiling" or a "revealing/revelation" thus the book​'​s two variant titles: The (Greek) Apocalypse, or (English) Revelation of John. Also keep in mind the title of John's book, "Apocalypse," only means a style of allegorical Jewish scripture writing and is not really a true synonym for the "site" of "Armageddon ( the City and Valley of Megiddo)." You would think we would notice this difference because, after all, we are the Apocalypse & Armageddon - Assurance Associates web site, are we not ( http://tinyurl.com/qe4h6x6 ).

    The Jewish Apocalyptic writing format is designed to be an allegory about the current Political situation, usually by an oppressive king and priesthood or else an Occupying Nation, like the Babylonians, Greeks or in Jesus' ​ ​times the Romans, with the book set in the Heavenly Realms with language disguised so that those (in their own time) initiated into its "guarded (esoteric)" language would comprehend the "allegorical message ( "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says..." Rev. 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:29; 3:6; 3:13; 3:22; 13:9)" being passed along among their own membership, but read like mystical-religious-mumbo jumbo to the Occupying Forces or Authorities. Apocalyptic writing is the message correspondence of the Local Underground movement expressing how if they remain True to their Cause eventually they will Win in The End (Times). Sooner or later all Tyrants die off and are replaced or Occupying Forces move on to other Political interests, or are chased off by a New Ambitious Empire that local political deals may be made with. Apocalyptic writing is how the local underground movement passes along messages of Hope and keeps them from getting arrested by the authorities as nonconformists and undesirables because of their seditious writings.

    Sort of like many nonconformists have kept a very low profile during the Establishment's "War On Drugs" which in reality is there to keep a popular Black-Market-Prohibition in place in order to entrap and punish nonconformists. If the Establishment can charge the nonconformist with a Felony, the nonconformist can no longer Vote against the Establishment's Political or Economic, or Ecological, Policies. In Biblical times sedition was punishable by death, as in like Crucifixion. Better to write your messages in an apocalypse than get crucified.

    Much of the language in the New Testament's book of Revelation is cherry picked and plagiarized from other apocalypses written in the Old Testament books of The Prophets. And there is no Lucifer nor any "Antichrist" actually mentioned, at all, in the Apocalypse of John or the Book of Revelation, as these terms are both borrowed from other books and don't mean what you've heard priests and preachers allege either.

    "You may listen and listen, but you will not understand.
    You may look and look again, but you will never perceive.
    This people's wits are dulled,
    their ears are deafened and their eyes blinded,
    so they cannot see with their eyes
    nor listen with their ears
    nor understand with their wits and heart,
    so that they may be turned around and healed."--Isaiah

    "He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says."--John

    According to the Old Testament Anointed One king Solomon, more wise than all those who preceded him in Jerusalem, "In dealing with men it is God's purpose to test them and to see what they truly are." And to pass that only test of God you must understand that you too are a "beast," the same as all the other animals (Ecclesiastes 3:18) who take breath. Solomon says, "Stand up and do the funky Stupid Dancing Naked Ape hand jive bugaloo, while looking in the mirror!"

    We are the "Beast" ourselves and our "Money," which nothing can be bought or sold without, is the "Mark of the Beast," which money has always had on it the image (mark) of the Beasts of Government, the image (mark) of the Caesars and Governors, Presidents, Tyrants and Queens, and Beastly Animal Nation Symbols (images and marks of the beast), Lions and Tigers and Bears--and even Eagles--oh my.

    "Now the weight of gold which Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, in addition to the tolls levied by the customs officers and profits on foreign trade, and the tribute of the kings of Arabia and the regional governors."--1 Kings 10:14

    "You shall have the record of it as a sign upon your hand, and upon your forehead as a reminder, to make sure that the law of the Lord is always on your lips, because the Lord with a strong hand brought you out of Egypt. This is a rule, and you shall keep it at the appointed time from year to year."--Exodus 13:9

    From the first pages the New Testament authors were searching for Old Testament passages to cherry pick to make their writings sound authoritative the same way Televangelists still do it today. Having the "Mark of the Beast ( and 666 )" on your hand or on your "forehead (money on your mind, like it is everybody, all the time, and they literally worship the image [mark] of their money)" was not meant to be taken literally about some UPC barcode symbology or debit card IC chip technology still 2000-years in the future. That the numbers 666 of the letters also added up to the name for Emperor Nero, an opponent of the early church, just demonstrates how clever the author John was at picking out symbolism his readers in his day and times would understand and "get."

    You've been buying and selling all your lives with the marks of the beast. Some of you even once used the old Deutsche Marks of the Beast.

    The John who wrote the book of Revelation (the Apocalypse) is simply trying to reinterpret Daniel and other Old Testament books to fit in with events of his own several Centuries later time period ( very near the time of the eruption of the Fiery Pit of Brimstone of Mount Vesuvius which had just destroyed the Roman cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum in an "Act of God") towards the end of the 1st Century, the same way Televangelists are trying to interpret the Apocalypse of John (the book of Revelation) to make it seem to fit in with Twenty Centuries later events-in-the-News of their own time period today. Two thousand years hence and they are still cherry picking scripture passages and predicting Gloom & Doom for everybody else but themselves.

    ​...and that the Alpha & the Omega business is simply the First & Last letters of the Greek AlphaBeta. It's like saying in English "I am Everything from A to Z, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."​ And Last Time I checked, Everything from A to Z was the entire physical body of the Universe, in a Supreme Being pantheistic sort of way...me & you--and that monitor you are reading these very words upon--included. Everything from A to Z !

    ...and right at the end of his Apocalypse, his book of Revelation, John keeps reminding his readers of his generation that his testimony is Coming Soon for Them. Not for you or us 2000-years hence. You moderns need to get your own apocalypse-revelation...from somewheres.

    The Apocalypse of Dear John, The Church of the Holy Tax Loophole's Book of Revelation: http://tinyurl.com/os6zffv


    The actual City of David & Temple of Solomon located in the city of Megiddo (the Valley of Megiddo; Ar-Megiddo-n) in the Northern kingdom of Is-Ra-El, and not in the South's Jebusite city of Jeru-Salem (nee-Jebus) in the Southern kingdom of Judah no matter how the Southern Babylonian exiles/refugees returning to the ruins of Jebus/Jeru-Salem, to rebuild the town on the then Persian Trade Route, put their religious spin on the Bible stories half-a-century after they happened.

    ​Joshua15:63 "As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out; but the Jebusites (i.e. the Palestinians) dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day." This is after God lied to Joshua son of Nun that, "No one will ever be able to stand against you: as I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will not fail you or forsake you."--Joshua 1:5 Except at a few unimportant places, like Jebus/Jerusalem.

    Some scholars believe the city of Megiddo in the Northern actual kingdom of Israel may have been the true original Capital of kings David & Solomon, and where the first Temple for the Ark of the Covenant was originally built, before the kingdom was split in half between "Israel," always in the North, and then "Judah," always in the South with its Capital of Jebus/Jerusalem. It would be about 45-years later after the death of king Solomon and the re-division of the two kingdoms (combined for just only 2 generations 1013 BCE - 933 BCE), Israel always to the North from Judah always in the South, that king Omri of the Northern kingdom would establish the City of "Samaria, just South of Megiddo," as the new Capital of actual "Israel." The State of Israel is actually in Northern Samaria, not in Southern Jebus/Jerusalem which correctly should be referred to as the State of Judah.

    To this day the modern Northern Samaritan People, Based on their own Hebrew scriptures (The Samaritan Torah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Pentateuch ) believe that Samaritan worship is the True Religion of the Ancient Israelites prior to the Babylonian conquest and exile, preserved by the Samaritans who remained in the Northern Land of Israel, which was actually Samaria, compared to the post-Babylonian exile refugee Jewish Religion that came later with the rebuilding of the ruins of Jebus/Jerusalem in the South during the time of Ezra (let's not forget about Ezra's relationship to the fiery red Soma vision drink of Nostradamus and the "writing" of the Holy books from the Bible's own 2 Esdras 14:38; in some Bible versions [usually Catholic] 1 & 2 Esdras is referred to as 3 & 4 Ezra).

    From 2 Esdras 14:37 - 14:48 The Writing of the Sacred books:
    "I took with me the five men as I had been told, and we went away to the field, and there we stayed. On the next day I heard a voice calling me, which said: 'Ezra, open your mouth and drink what I give you.' So I opened my mouth, and was handed a cup full of what seemed like water, except that its color was the color of fire. I took it and drank, and as soon as I had done so my mind began to pour forth a flood of understanding, and wisdom grew greater and greater within me, for I retained my memory unimpaired. I opened my mouth to speak, and I continued to speak unceasingly. The Most High gave understanding to the five men, who took turns writing down what was said, using characters which they had not known before. They remained at work through the forty days, writing all day, and taking food only at night. But as for me, I spoke all through the day; even at night I was not silent. In the forty days, ninety-four books were written. At the end of the forty days the Most High spoke to me, 'Make public the books you wrote first,' he said, 'to be read by good and bad alike. But the last seventy books are to be kept back, and given to none but the Wise among your people. They contain a stream of Understanding, a Fountain of Wisdom, a Flood of Knowledge.' And I did so."

    ​ Those first 24 books from Ezra are the Old Testament scriptures (and the lost books mentioned within them); and the hidden 70 books are to be found among lost libraries like the Dead Sea Scrolls.​

    Since most of the Western versions of the Old Testament have a "Jerusalem perspective" spin it is thought that the priests and scribes of Judah in the South redacted the Historical record to make it look like David & Solomon had ruled in (rather than "over") Jerusalem in order to make it appear that Judah were the legitimate heirs and genealogy from king David's combined two kingdoms of "Israel" and "Judah," even though the name "Israel" always-always-always belonged to Samaria to the North after the death of king Solomon, and for the next 400 years ( 933 BCE - 586 BCE) in the Old Testament and the South Jerusalem was only-only-only called the kingdom of "Judah" all the way until the Babylonian conquest and captivity (586 BCE - 538 BCE for an additional 48-years) before Judah Refugees returning from Babylon begin referring to Jebus/Jerusalem as if it were still in the idealized Northern kingdom of "Israel" again, which area they then refer to as Samaria, full of "no good" Samaritans. All the Biblical stories of Northern Israel's kings David & Solomon are (historical) and religious fictions written with a Southern Judah spin 400-years or so after-the fact.

    For God so loved His Jewish storytellers ​that ​He gave them the True Promise Land, ​of ​Hollywood!

    Armageddon is a metaphor just like in the Apocalypse or Book of Revelation where "...the great city, whose name in allegory is Sodom, or Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified."--Rev.11:8 is an allegory for Jerusalem, where Jesus really was crucified; and "I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband."--Rev 21:2 is an allegory for the congregation of the new Christian Church collectively spread out throughout the Roman Empire, whereas the actual city of Jerusalem--in its own End Times, 20-years earlier--had been destroyed by the Romans and renamed Aelia Capitolina ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelia_Capitolina ) with a new Temple dedicated to the Roman god Jupiter, and renamed the whole province Syria-Palestina (i.e. Palestine). "This is an allegory...Sinai is a mountain in Arabia and it represents the Jerusalem of today, for she and her children (Hagar & Ishmael) are in slavery. But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman; she is our mother (Sarah of Isaac)."--Gal. 4:24 - 26 written possibly as much as 40-years before the book of Revelation using the"heavenly Jerusalem" as a metaphor for the early Christian church movement.

    You simply cannot read an ​apocalypse literally anymore than you can accept the 7-Days (ages) of Genesis Creation literally. "And here is one point, my friends, which you must not lose sight of: with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day.--2Peter 3:8

    All the New Testament authors were writing for their own audience about their own day and (end) times, and not for your 2000-years in the future​ era​.

    The 1st Battle of Armageddon took place in 1479 BCE when Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose III defeated the armies of the Canaanites at Megiddo.

    The 2nd, Biblical, Battle of Armageddon took place in 608 BCE when Southern Judah king Josiah made a trade treaty with too-far-off-to-be-helpful Babylon, for mutual (proxy war) defense of the territory, and "So they assembled the kings at the place called in Hebrew Armageddon."--Rev.16:16 "it was in his reign that Pharaoh Necho king of Egypt set out for the river Euphrates to help the king of Assyria. King Josiah went against him; and when they met at Armageddon, Pharaoh Necho slew him."--2Kings 23:29.

    ...and this short apocalypse revelation has been an apostrophe as in Greek Theatre catastrophes given as an antistrophe to your (Apocalypse​, ​Armageddon​ & Rapture​ question) strophe.

    APOSTROPHE (sic)
    The crux of the apocalypse is the apostrophe!

    ​​We here at ​the ​Apocalypse & Armageddon Assurance Associates like to answer your questions before you ask them: http://tinyurl.com/qe4h6x6​


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