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    The Late Great Planet Earth Bible Challenge
    April 18, 2019
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    A Bit Of History:

    The late Scott Nisbet, Dawson & I had all served in the USMC Air Wing together at USMC Air Station Yuma, AZ around c.1978 in an Air Traffic Control & Ground Electronics Systems Unit. That's the Sonoran Desert of Carlos Castaneda & the Brujo Don Juan fame ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....ran_Desert). Dawson had actually requested to be stationed at that God forsaken hell hole as he had read several of Castaneda's anthropology books and was wanting to meet and interview some of the local Yaqui "Indians (as we called Native American First Nations Peoples back then)" for himself. I think Dawson was in search of a meeting with the Yaqui Peyote deity Mescalito. I'm not sure he ever met any Yaqui except drunk ones in Arizona bars or Mexican brothels, but he did meet us. We all played a "bookshelf" boxed Economic Warfare game together (i.e. After The Holocaust, if anybody wants to dig a copy of that great economics game up) and hung out and listened to music and discussed movies and books, including the Bible. There wasn't much to choose from to do back then on your off duty hours in Yuma, Arizona.

    It was at a movie house out in Yuma that we saw Hal Lindsey's feature film, THE LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH. Dawson bought Lindsey's book by the same name, and I think it was because of that book that he started reading the entire Bible in earnest and discovered that most Preachers, Lindsey included, don't really know what is in the Bible and are mainly quoting cherry picked Bible verses out of context. Anyway he started loading up on Biblical research books about that time.

    This would eventually lead to Dawson being the editor of a new translation of the books of the Bible, however, rearranged into the chronological order they were most likely written in and not the Topical order this collection of books are published in today which helps make the Bible such a confusing read because you hardly ever know if you are reading Prophecy or History or fabricated Historical Fiction or even just plain ol' Jewish or Christian Allegory or Mythology because the books are out of actual chronological order mainly to support a Religious Biased Narrative Story. But then there was a mysterious fire and most of his computer files, hard copy and research library were destroyed. Some of his body of work he's pieced back together and you can find some of it woven throughout the A&A Forum.

    A cyBook eBook hidden in plain sight: http://tinyurl.com/pex65lu

    But if you want a "relative" quick understanding of why so many Priests and Preachers are either delusional or con-artists THE LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH CHALLENGE can demonstrate rather quickly why certain Politicians keep appealing to the delusional Religious Right to Vote against their own best self interests. You could refer to Them as the "Marks (i.e. suckers)" of the Beast.

    Preachers and Politicians: I Owe My Soul To The Company Store http://tinyurl.com/nj2mlzw

    Why Preachers & Politicians lie to their Congregations & Constituencies: http://tinyurl.com/ng2jbku


    April 18, 2019
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    cyber west hollyweird
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    The Apocalyptic Late Great Planet Earth Bible Challenge
    Nobody with the Reading Comprehension of an Adult can Read the Bible and still attend Church

    The Basic Challenge goes like this:

    The Late Great Planet Earth challenge is simply this: While reading Hal Lindsey's book The Late Great Planet Earth actually look up every Bible passage he quotes to make his silly End Times arguments. But don't stop at just that passage, read the entire paragraph that cherry-picked passage was stolen from, and even go back and read the whole chapter that paragraph and passage were cherry-picked from. Very quickly you'll realize that both Hal Lindsey and the other Preachers he stole his cherry-picking "research" from have no idea what those cherry-picked passages meant in the context of the actual Old Testament books they stole them from. They sound like impressive argument points when gathered together out of context, but read in context they implicate a grade school level of arrested development delusional Preaching Theology. And they all do it.

    When most Priests or Preachers give a sermon they don't really search the Bible itself for passages that might have real bearing on this weeks sermon. For instance, let's say, in the week's News Headlines, someone like Pastor and FOX News Network analyst Ted Haggard ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ed_Haggard ) or some Congressman gets caught with his pants down around his ankles holding a smoking gun, . . . then your local Priest or Preacher can kindly go to his Encyclopedia sized Sermon Topic Desk Reference set and just look up a bunch of passages, by any Topic, from both the Old & New Testaments that he can drop into his weekly sermon so he can sound authoritative like he actually did some research by actually reading the Bible. Almost any Topic you can think of has a whole list of relevant sounding Bible verses you can plant in your sermon and then give either God or Jesus credit for thinking them up 2000; 3000 or even 4000-years ago as prophecy about some FOX Preacher or Congressman getting outed by his heathen male prostitute.

    Here is a sample of Bible passages those Priests & Preachers could have chosen to plant into their weekly topical News Headlines sermon, but probably did not:

    Some words from the Old Testament Prophet Jeremiah about the prophets and priests "An Appalling thing, an outrage, has appeared in this land: prophets prophesy lies and priests go hand in hand with them, and my people love to have it so..." or about the priestly scribes, "How can you say, 'We are wise, we have the law of the Lord', when scribes with their lying pens have falsified it?"

    Or the Prophet Hosea, "Priests? By day and night you blunder on, you and the prophet with you. My people are ruined for lack of knowledge;..." or "The more priests there are, the more they sin against me;..."

    Or the Prophet Amos, "I hate, I spurn your pilgrim-feasts; I will not delight in your sacred ceremonies. When you present your sacrifices and offerings I will not accept them, nor look on the buffaloes of your shared-offerings. Spare me the sound of your songs; I cannot endure the music of your lutes (I guess he didn't like church music much either--ed.)."

    Or the Prophet Micah, "Listen to this, leaders of Jacob, rulers of Israel, you who make justice hateful and wrest it from its straight course, building Zion in bloodshed and Jerusalem in iniquity. Her rulers sell justice, her priests give direction in return for a bribe, her prophets take money for their divination,..."

    Or the Prophet Isaiah, "How the faithful city has played the whore, once the home of justice where righteousness dwelt--but now murderers! Your silver has turned to base metal and your liquor is diluted with water. Your very rulers are rebels, confederate with thieves; every man of them loves a bribe and itches for a gift; they do not give the orphan his rights, and the widow's cause never comes before them..." or "Money-lenders strip my people bare, and usurers lord it over them..." or "...and their religion is but a precept of men, learnt by rote, therefore I will yet again shock the people, adding shock to shock: the wisdom of their wise men shall vanish and the discernment of the discerning shall be lost."

    I like to introduce people to those verses in the Bible they don't teach you in Sunday School about Priests & Politicians, you know the ones like where the Judge over All of Israel, strongman Samson, loved to go visit the Gaza prostitutes ("Gaza," ...where have we heard that name lately?). God did not punish Samson for that. Nope! God punished him for cutting off his "Nazarite" length hair. I think the author of the Biblical book of Judges thinks his God is a gay hairdresser who throws hissy-fits. And that is the Old Testament sacred "Nazarite" Order that Samson belonged to, and not some contrived story about only being from some New Testament village called Nazareth.

    Again from the Old Testament Amos, "I raised up prophets from your sons, Nazarites from your young men. Was it not so indeed, you men of Israel?...But you made the Nazarites drink wine, and said to the prophets, 'You shall not prophesy.' Listen, I grown under the burden of you, as a wagon creaks under a full load."

    A wagon creaking under a full load of bullshit! A couple of Old Testament passages appropriated by New Testament authors for their story character Jesus who they had to claim was from the town of "Nazareth" since they didn't realize that Nazarites were the very religious order to which was Sworn an Oath to: the Gaza prostitute-monger, Judge over all Israel and Hebrew Hercules, Samson.
    And since Samson didn't seem to be committing "sin" by sleeping with regular Gaza prostitutes (they weren't the evil foreign religious "Temple Prostitutes," just normal working-girl prostitutes like the Old Testament "Messiah" King Solomon tells his son to visit instead of married women in Proverbs 6:24 "...to keep you from the wife of another man, from the seductive tongue of the loose woman. Do not desire her beauty in your heart or let her glance provoke you; for a prostitute can be had for the price of a loaf of bread, but a married woman is out for bigger game."--Oxford New English Bible translation is a little clearer here than the KJV). I guess the girls out at Sheri's Ranch Nevada brothel would like to know that Bible passage.

    Anyway, I've never met a Priest or Preacher who uses any of these Bible verses above in their weekly sermons, and I had two Uncles were Southern Baptist ministers and a Grandfather who was an Evangelical Tent Revivalist.

    April 18, 2019
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    Keep in mind that Mainstream Christianity is still just a collection of "Cults." And never forget they outnumber and surround you. All you have to do is drive around town and count the number of churches.

    If it were not for "Christians" holding Satan and "demons" in high esteem, there would be no other delusional people worshiping "Satan," There would be no Church Of Satan. The goats lead the sheeple over the delusional paradigm cliff with their drummed up War On Christmas and such. They invent their own "Adversary" by attempting to Politically Force their Morals on everybody else.

    First of all, there are no "demons" in the entire of the King James Version of the Bible. We'll stick with the KJV here, for now, simply because I'm not going to fool with every fairly readable English translation since 1611(especially since most of my Biblical research library burned up in a fire back when I lived in Memphis, and just before I discovered ETs do exist and are "Paradigm Busters"). But if any Bible version should have "demons" you would suppose it would be the KJV where Christian translators purposefully mis-transliterate the Hebrew term for any ordinary "Adversary" into the English-sounding character of "Satan," and then ONLY really for the book of Job. These Old Testament stories, like Job, are not "Jewish History" they are just children's books of "Faith."

    Just whom is this "Satan (the 'Adversary')" http://tinyurl.com/j63z3rp

    There are only 4 mentions of "devils (little "d")" in ALL of the Hebrewesque Old Testament: Leviticus 7:17; Deuteronomy 32:17; 2 Chronicles 11:15; and Psalms 106:37, but ALL these translations of "devils" are meaning "Foreign gods" or idols that people were simply making religious sacrifices to.

    My God's better than your god
    My God's better than yours
    My God's better
    'Cause He likes Us Best
    My God's better than yours

    And just now as I cross-referenced the 4 verses above from my KJV to my Oxford University Press The New English Bible With The Apocrypha this (very readable) version changes those same KJV "devils" as foreign gods to the English term "demons" still representing SIMPLY the same foreign deities of religious worship (i.e. not as any "fallen angels," just idols). We're talking Old Testament still here as everybody should know the New Testament is chock full of problematic demonic-acting "Unclean-Spirits." But then the New Testament authors had a few "demons" of their own that I'll deal with shortly.

    The Two Old Testament Kingdoms and the Two New Testament Churches: http://tinyurl.com/no654sv

    But back to the KJV and there is no mention of any character called "The Devil" with a capital "D" AT ALL in the Old Testament. Both "The Devil" and being possessed by "devils" are strictly New Testament claims and soon I'll quickly demon-strait how we know the New Testament can't stand up to The Eye of God's Court of Law as factual accounts of the Life of Jesus or even his philosophy carried on by his "In The Flesh" brother James' Church or even St. Paul's followers after Jesus' execution for Sedition.

    So there is no "Devil" with a capital "D" in the Old Testament religion and "Satan" is only a character mis-trans-literated from God's drinking and bar betting angel buddy, his "Adversary" or "devil's advocate" . . . and poor old Lucifer only turns out to be just the nickname of the King of Babylon whom the Persian Messiah (actually called "Messiah" in the Hebrew Isaiah 45:1 ), Cyrus the Great, conquered in one single night leading the author of Isaiah to make the joke, "Look at how he who claimed to be the 'Mighty' king has fallen." LOL! There is no story of Lucifer and any fallen angels actually in the Old Testament. And the extra-Biblical combined 3 books of ENOCH with fallen angels are known hoaxes, just as silly and contrived as the modern Left Behind series about the "Rapture." The author(s) of Enoch can't live before the Iron Age and then report the anachronism that the Face of God looked like molten Iron, just for starters. So using Enoch and "The Watchers" for Ancient Astronaut theories is pretty sophomoric.

    Not every ancient text is an eyewitness account of ETs & UFOs or even of angels & demons just because it is old.

    If prostitution is the "World's Oldest Profession," then the 2nd Oldest Profession is Priests selling Good Luck Charms with Godly invented stories.

    Lucifer & the real Christs (yes plural): http://tinyurl.com/q6f5vou

    So there is no such thing as anything actually being "Luciferian;" there is no actual "Devil;" and there is nothing "Satanic" except the fact that Christian English translators needed to mis-trans-literate the Old Testament term for any Adversary into a Character for the book of Job, which for the life of me I can't figure out why the Rabbis even kept this book because it makes God look like a total SOB by Proxy needing to prove that the character Job would still kiss His Almighty Ass no matter what God allows "Satan" to do to him. In the end because Job is God's Number One Brown Noser, God lets Job win the Lottery and everybody Lives Happily Ever After and talks about what a Great book this is even though "God" has become just a mean spirited written-created-anthropomorphic-idol character in a story instead of Being the Supreme Being Cause of all the Powers of Nature in a Hebrew pantheistic Universe.

    Was the Old Testament "God" just an allegory for a Volcano? http://tinyurl.com/pwz7g52

    (on the other hand) The 19th Song; A song of pantheism: http://tinyurl.com/pym6l9l


    Now remember that the New Testament authors keep cherry picking Old Testament verses as their "Authority" on why their Life & Religion of Jesus and his Followers stories just gotta be Truly stories. If you actually take the time to read the Old Testament as literature--with the reading comprehension of an adult--you would realize there is not one single verse from the Old Testament that actually predicts any coming of the person Jesus. Christianity was begun by cherry picking verses and they still do it today to try and justify trying to take over your country in their god's (sic) name. Don't be naive, Christianity has always been a Political and never a Spiritual agenda. Thus the need for the immediate Political Kingship genealogies Promulgated in the Gospels.

    The very first New Testament sentence is: "The book of the (genealogy: the 1967 New Edition KJV changes from "generations") of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." Then the Gospel of Matthew goes on to list a genealogy from Abraham begots all the way down to Joseph whom he omits Jesus to actually be in this family tree of magical groupings (of 14s = Holy Number 7s x 2) only claiming that Joseph was the husband of Mary whose child Jesus is a Bastard Son of the "Holy Spirit." Some people (e.g. Ancient Astronaut Theorists) claim here that Mary was an Alien Abductee and that Jesus was just a Supernaturally ESP endowed Alien-Human Hybrid. Just as truly a story as the stories of Matthew or Luke, we'll soon see.

    The problem here is that the Genealogy allegedly for Jesus given in the Gospel of Matthew 1:2 DOES NOT MATCH the Genealogy given in the Gospel of Luke 3:23 which to make sure you wont bother to check this out puts his genealogy in reverse order going from Jesus' Step-Daddy Joseph backwards all the way to the first Hebrew pun writer for Mankind, "Adam." This is easily seen if you take all of 15 minutes to write these two genealogies out in parallel columns side-by-side, and they come in handy to use as hand outs when Jehovah's Witnesses come around knocking on your door if you want to send them away scratching their heads.

    So one or Both of these Gospels have perjured themselves in The Court of The Eye of God.

    So the next much longer step is to go back through all the various genealogies as given in the more authoritative Old Testament upon which the New Testament is allegedly based and write down a 3rd parallel genealogy column to find out which of Matthew or Luke is lying to us. Turns out Both Matthew and Luke are just making up genealogies to make it look like Joseph and his bastard step-son Jesus are from the "Kingly Messiah" bloodline of evil ol' King David who was screwing Uriah's wife Bathsheba, among other nefarious accomplishments of this Old Testament "Messiah." By the way, kings Saul, David and Solomon, as well as High Priest Samuel were all "Christs" in the Greek idiom since they were all "Anointed" into OFFICIAL OFFICE as Hebrew idiom "Messiahs" another word purposefully mistranslated by ALL Christian English translators of the Old Testament to lie by omission that there were hundreds of Official Messiahs or "Christs" in the Old Testament and that the term "Messiah" is an official political title of office and does not mean "God's Supernatural Superhero."

    Genealogies x 3 page 1.jpg
    Genealogies x 3 page 2.jpg
    Genealogies x 3 page 3.jpg

    And since the New Testament Superhero character of Jesus was never-ever-never Officially anointed into Office as either an "Official" High Priest of the Temple or as the "Official" King of Judea, he was never-ever-never either a "Messiah" nor a Greek idiom "Christ." This means right off the top that every person you ever hear use the term "Jesus Christ" (or just "Christ" by itself) absolutely does not know what it means to be an Official High Priest or King anointed into Office as an Official "Messiah" or Official "Christ." So the New Testament story-tellers turned Jesus into a Symbolic, allegorical, "Christ" comic book style Superhero, "Son Of God." "What? Do you mean His last name is not 'Christ?' "

    At best all the Cretins can allege is someone named Joshua (a Hebrew pun for "Savior," in the Greek idiom "Jesus" or Aramaic idiom "Yeshua," which some people pronounce thinking the sound of the name gets them Brownie Points with God) was kinda-sorta of the genealogy bloodline, by his step-father Joseph, to some day maybe get appointed as an official High Priest of the Temple or as King. That is 'er, if he was really in line for it at the time and if it became available as political slots so do. Claiming Kingship is why the Romans executed Jesus for Sedition Against the State. But he wasn't the only one they executed for the sedition of claiming to be the Kingly Messiah: There is a former slave of king Herod's, Simon, who crowned himself Messiah and rallied together some men and plundered the royal palaces at Jericho. He was captured and beheaded. A shepherd named Athronges crowned himself Messiah and launched an attack against Roman soldiers and was caught and executed. There were also claimed Messiahs named Hezekiah a bandit chief, Judas the Galilean and also his grandson Menahem, another Simon bar Giora and a Simon bar Kochba, all caught and executed for sedition against the State just like in the Jesus Story.

    How else does Luke tell us he is just making his Gospel up? Why, in his very first paragraph he explains to his friend Theophilus that many other writers before him have made accounts of the events of Jesus' life, many only "alleging" to be eyewitnesses (Thus Luke's Gospel is mostly hearsay) "following traditions handed down." The Gospel of Luke may have been written as long as 40 years after Jesus' alleged Execution.

    Not only is Luke's Gospel hearsay with a phony genealogy but it and hoax Matthew are the only "accepted" Gospel accounts with the Supernatural "Virgin Birth" which they ripped off from a foreign Greek translation of Isaiah 7:14 where the Greek idiom "virgin" should have been the Hebrew "almah" for a "veiled young woman" her sexual virginity not really part of the equation back in those days. In Isaiah's time (which covered at least 3 separate authors combined for convenience into one scribe copyist's Old Testament scroll) you bought a young wife(s) for a couple of pieces of silver and a couple of goats. Today that might purchase an hour with a harlot out at Sherry's Ranch in Nevada.

    In the New Testament Epistles, many of which were actually written before the accepted 4 Gospels, many terms are being used allegorically. The reader should read the term "Spiritual" in the Spirit of the symbolic allegory that Spiritual writing is written in the Spirit of, For he who has a Spiritual eye to see what the Spirit has written for you Spiritually.

    Elaine Pagels, the Harrington Spear Paine Professor of Religion at Princeton University ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....ine_Pagels ), would make an interesting interview as she published the book: The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonized Jews, Pagans, and Heretics. New York: Vintage Books, explaining how the New Testament authors use the symbolic term "Satan (adversary)" to refer to their perceived religious or political enemies and NOT as an actual Chief of Demons and Fallen Angels.

    The Origin of Satan by Elaine Pagels.jpg

    A good example of New Testament allegory is the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven in the book of Revelation. Some people think this is a UFO "Mothership" coming down out of the sky. But in Galatians "heavenly Jerusalem" is explained as just an allegory for the New Church spreading out all over Asia Minor, since the old "real" Jerusalem was destroyed in its END TIMES by the Romans who literally had wiped it and its Religious Zealots off the map and then rebuilt a new city there called Aelia Capitolina and renamed the territory of Judea, as Syria-Palestine (which is a corruption of the older name for it of Philistine). This means the Palestinians of today can trace their roots back to the Philistines who lived in the territory before the Old Testament said God lied about giving all the territory to Joshua since the MOST IMPORTANT BIBLICAL CITY OF ALL TIME: "At Jerusalem, the men of Judah were unable to drive out the Jebusites who lived there, and to this day Jebusites and men of Judah live together in Jerusalem."--Joshua 15:63. This anachronism of calling the city "Jerusalem" also tells us that the book of Joshua was written, after the fact, in the times that the city was called Jerusalem and not during Joshua's own time when the Jebusites called their city Jebus.


    It is little clues like these author anachronisms that demonstrate that the entirety of the Bible, and all the made up extra-Biblical books like ENOCH, cannot be used to make modern arguments as if these stories are eyewitness accounts of Extraterrestrial UFO activity; or Interdimensional Phenomena such as demons, ghosts, skinwalkers or even Carlos Castaneda's shamanic allies. Many of the Bible stories barely qualify as actual Jewish or Christian "Historical Fiction."

    And as far as the New Testament goes was there ever a Historical person Jesus who was so well known in Jerusalem that after a 7-year ministry, the causing of an uproar in the Temple during Tabernacles and being brought before the Roman Procurator; where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare, and was written up outside the Bible by no less than the Governor of Galilee in his tome The Wars Of The Jews. The problem with this Historical Jesus is, of course, he wasn't crucified on a cross as he was killed by a boulder from a Roman catapult and so nobody has paid very much attention to his-story. The 4 accepted Gospels (there are another 20 Gospels found outside the Bible you can cross-reference) are all together about a little over 140 pages. The entire New Testament a little over 330 pages. The Governor of Galilee wrote prolifically over 900 historical pages and was a contemporary of many of the New Testament authors. But nobody reads him either.

    An Historical Jesus: http://tinyurl.com/pse6bps


    Technically because ETs are "Messengers" from the "Skies" that makes them Old Testament, mis-translated into English, "angels" from "heaven." That includes even the less popular ETs mutilating cattle for their human-hybrid incubator parts or giving alien abductees colonoscopies. Being an "angel/messenger" from the heavens gets you No Respect at all necessarily. Maybe we should nickname the ETs "Dangerfields."

    Ancient Aliens, "Messengers" from the "Skies" or "Angels" from "Heaven." http://tinyurl.com/zae4muj

    Some Problems with Zecharia Sitchin's Tales of the Anunnaki & Nefilim: https://tinyurl.com/y7zed4m9

    Some people have suggested I should write a book about all this stuff:

    A (FREE) cyBook eBook hidden in plain sight: http://tinyurl.com/pex65lu

    Quickly master Biblical things that Idiot at Work who is always trying to Save you is Clueless About: http://tinyurl.com/hcjgg7m

    What does "The Apocalypse" mean to you? http://tinyurl.com/k9p9s8c



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