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    "Citizens United" is not about "We The People" human citizens
    January 24, 2013
    4:04 am
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      Here's an email some of us received from the junior United States Senator from Minnesota, Al Franken,  concerning a Petition to Reverse Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010),  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....s_United , a landmark United States Supreme Court case basically allowing (even foreign stockholder owned) Corporations to make Political Expenditures as if they are Flesh & Blood U.S. Citizens.


      Corporations are recognized for legal purposes as "Fictional Persons"  but not as actual human being "Natural Persons."   The neo LLCs (Limited Liability Corporations) are a great way for Upper Management and Stockholders (and foreign owners and Wall Street Investment Bankers) to escape prosecution for "White Collar Crime ('Don't blame Us, Our Liability is Legally Limited')."  So why shouldn't they also be allowed to Buy Elections for the Candidates who Pass favorable Corporate Legislation?  Obviously to Politicians Fictional Constituents  have become more important than Natural Constituents.


      Any way you cut it  Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010)  is nothing but blatent (this) Supreme Court sanctioned Multinational Corporations' Bribes to Politicians, disguised as "independent" Advertising money for their political campaigns, and calling this Graft "Freedom of Speech" as if corporate Fictional Entities were flesh and blood citizens Natural Persons.


      So here is Senator Franken's email and links to their Petition, if you are so inclined;  and then (below) Dawson's email back to info@alfranken.com in case whomever gets stuck working in the Senator's Mail Room gets bored on the graveyard shift.


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    Dear _________ ,
    Image EnlargerYou don’t need me to tell you how much damage Citizens United has caused in the three years since the decision came down. You just need to turn on a TV.
    Corporate-backed special interests own the airwaves come election time — and, all too often, they own our elections, too.

    We could mark the three-year anniversary of Citizens United by crying in our grape soda. Or we could mark it by fighting back.

    A group of Senators — including Sherrod Brown, Mark Begich, Jon Tester, Max Baucus & Tom Udall — and I are teaming up to make a new push to undo the disastrous effects of Citizens United. Want in? Just click here and sign our petition.

    Make no mistake: Progressives can still win big fights, even three years after Citizens United.

    But the longer we let this decision stand, the harder it’s going to be. The more influence these corporate special interests have over our elections, the more influence they’ll have over our government — and the harder it will be for us to enact reform.

    It’s a vicious cycle. And that’s why now is such an important moment for action.

    Three years of Citizens United is enough — please sign our petition and help us restore our democracy!

    There’s nothing nice to say about Citizens United. And there’s nothing to celebrate on its anniversary. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something to mark the occasion. Let’s commit to undoing the effects of Citizens United — and let’s restore our democracy.

    Click here to sign.


    P.S.: A billion dollars is a lot of money. But grassroots energy can beat a billion dollars. Click here to sign my petition to undo the effects of Citizens United.

    January 24, 2013
    4:52 am
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    From: Dawson
    Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:31 PM
    Subject: Citizens can't be Sold like Corporations can
    To: Al Franken info@alfranken.com (edited--ed.)
      When you and your group of Senator friends make your "Citizens United"  arguments remember:
      Corporations can be  Sold to foreigners; Citizens cannot be sold to foreigners (yet).
      The Constitution not only does not say "We The Corporations" they are not mentioned as having any "Corporate Rights" in the entire Constitution.
      Even the Dow Jones Industrial Average's main component, the New York Stock Exchange-Euronext, is owned in the Netherlands now.  They should get no say in United States Political commentary as should not foreign stockholders in any Corporation.
      Charters of Corporations are a Public Grant from We The People and if they behave in ways deleterious  to We The People corporations should lose their Public Grant charters.  For without these Public Grant Corporate Charters, corporations would not even exist.   Public government office (like the Supreme Court) is too a Public Grant from We The People and can be rescinded  by We The People.
      Corporations should not be allowed to violate We The People's (employee's) Amendment IV or X rights Privately  which the Government cannot violate Publicly.  No Business or Corporation should be allowed to violate any of the People's rights in trade for a paycheck.  Business is not a Private Police Force!
      Personally, I would pick a date like 1/1/14 and expunge  all Public Grant Corporate Charters–wish them happiness in all the human Ca$h Cow Million$ they made, and tell them to come visit and spend some of their Tourist Dollar$ when they are back on-shore visiting Our Country some time–and then have them re-file for new (real) Public Grant Charters which favor We The People and Constitutional (non-foreign influenced) Guidelines, and must be Traded (if public) on an American owned  Stock Exchange.  And NO MORE legalese-criminal-responsibility-dodging for Board Members "Limited-Liability" corporations.  Just INC.s not ("don't blame us, our liability is limited") LLCs.
      It ain't Rocket Science knowing how we've been bent over and screwed!
    NOTE:  Yes I know Corporations do not have actual "Charters" like they once did.   But I'm talking about the spirit of the Charter of Public Grant that comes through the Constitution down to the Public "regulations" of Incorporation.  And if you are going to argue over that kind of semantics (as in a couple of emails I got) it probably means you are pro-Graft or watch Fox News Network and need your economics spoon fed to you.
    Also, the above was edited from the original to clarify things like the Dow Jones Industrial Average (a reporting agency) wasn't owned by a corporation in the Netherlands.  It does not matter if a corporation like NYSE-Euronext has an office in Atlanta (and calls itself "American") if the puppet strings are being pulled from Amsterdam and there is a real question of which country's regulations govern potentially questionable trading practices.  And I did send an updated link to Senator Franken.
    Corporations (syndicates) in-and-of-themselves are not bad things.  But they are a convenient shield for White Collar Criminals to hide behind.  And by definition a Government run by Corporations (even through frontmen politicians) is Fascism.  The People, through their government, should regulate the corporations; corporations should not write government regulations favoring fictional entities' abuses over The People or their Environment.  Just look at the Ecological wreck that is (made in) China when corporations are allowed to run amok and treat people like beasts of burden.  It Can't Happen Here--Sinclair Lewis
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